John Urwin: The Machine
[Athough we do our best to transcribe every word, there are some terms we have not been able to decrypt. We have left them in square brackets]
Kerry Cassidy (KC): Hi. This is Kerry Cassidy from
Project Camelot. The other day I interviewed John Urwin.
He’s a fascinating guy. He’s got a special technique that
he was trained on in a matter of hours by an off-world
civilization, and he’s going to tell you about that, how it
came about, and this was in the early ‘50s. He was a
special operative for the British government at a time
before the New World Order was put into place, and he was
part of a group of 16 that were covertly integrated into the
military. They were completely nondescript, people without
backgrounds, that were given this special training that
changed them for their lives, and allowed to go on special
operations during the time they were part of the military.
They would slip in and out and go unnoticed. They have a
technique called The Machine which is to this day apparently
not able to be deciphered or figured out by even the highest
levels of the military in various countries. He is now
being sought after, after having written his book and
published it. I encourage you to listen to the interview.
It’s a fascinating study as well as a revealing bit of
information about a covert operation that happened back in
the ‘50s in order to prevent the New World Order from ever
becoming a reality.
John Urwin (JU): What I’m trying to tell is, I’m trying
to get, the people who want to fight against this, to be
trained and ready. There’s some big disasters on the way.
JU: The people have to be prepared for that. They have
to be trained in the right way for it. Going out and buying
guns, Kerry, and learning to shoot a target, is not going to
get you anywhere.
KC: [laughs] Yeah.
JU: It’s not going to get you anywhere.
JU: ‘Cause the fear is the stumbling block. ‘Cause, you
know, if you don’t know when to pull the gun, if you haven’t
got the guts to pull the trigger, and if the violence around
you affects you in any way, you’re no good on the
battlefield. So, I’ve got documented proof that, and
photographs, to prove that they’ve been here and that these
people are supposed to be the elite, the best. So if they
could get what I’ve got elsewhere, that’s exactly what
they’d do. It’s only that they can’t and that’s why they
come here, and they’ve offered me a certain amount of money,
and I won’t give them it. And what they’re trying to do is,
they don’t want me to be recognized in any way, shape or
form. They’re just keeping me down. What I’m trying to
say, when I went to Hereford, there was about 13 people
there. One of them was the head instructor, and they put us
through various tests, me and a few of my lads, my
instructors. And like I said, it just blew their socks
off. They couldn’t believe that this was around, and yet
they’d never even seen it before. So ever since then,
they’ve been trying to get these skills. They’ve offered us
various sums of money, and all I wanted was some recognition
but they wouldn’t give us it. They wouldn’t do that at
all. And he’s, Alan, he was, he just, he texted me two days
ago saying he needs to see us again. And he’s going to give
me a ring the next few days.
KC: Okay. What, where is this, the SAS?
JU: Special Air Services. But if you are, take, you see
me website, have you?
KC: Your website?
JU: Yup. It’s uscdefence.com.
KC: Oh right. Okay. I saw it very briefly, but I
didn’t actually. I saw that you teach...
JU: Yeah. Okay.
KC: You’re teaching, um.
JU: Well if you look at the photograph that’s on there
was a group of us together...
JU: The tall guy at the back, he’s retired from the SAS
just before Christmas, and he’s the highest decorated
officer in the SAS.
JU: Now he’s in my club on that photograph...
KC: I see.
JU: So obviously the question you’ve got to say is, Why
is he there? Why does he come down to my club? Like I say,
I’ve got documented proof that that’s exactly what they’re
after. So these people don’t come after something that they
can get anywhere else. It’s obviously not available for
these people and they’re prepared to give my group £2,000.
But what they wanted was the sole rights of what we call The
Machine. By your tone of voice I don’t think you’re aware
of these people, are you?
JU: The SAS?
KC: Not, you know, because I’m American, you know, not
offhand. It’s not something that I know that much about. I
see that they’re special operations.
JU: Oh yeah. They’re supposed to be the best of the
world probably apparently. [laughs].
KC: Okay. Very interesting. So, but if this guy, you
say, you know, this guy trained with you, or...
JU: No, no, no, no, no. He came up. They keep putting
us to the test. He wanted to find out more about the
JU: He wanted to find out more about the fear
elimination program. He wanted to find out how that was
done, because we proved to them that the fear elimination
program had been done to me, and then there’s the.... Like
I say, to train in these skills, Kerry, it would, say like,
it would normally take you months, where I learned it in
four days, but I was unaware of it. Do you understand that?
JU: Yeah, I was totally unaware of it. What they’ve got
to do is, they’ve got to, let you go into this hypnosis. He
closes down your conscious brain...
JU: And then he gets the subconscious brain to do
something that you’re unaware of, but that’s what they do.
They close down your conscious brain and they program the
subconscious to take these skills onboard. And I learned
these skills in four days.
JU: Where it would normally take you months. And
this is not martial arts, Kerry.
JU: This is far superior. Martial arts… It’s the way I
talk unfortunately, martial arts just doesn’t work, just
doesn’t work at all. And I proved it. The SAS, their head
instructor, is one of the top martial arts guys. He’s the
world’s champion of it, and yet we proved that everything he
did was wrong. We proved it, and that’s what really
impressed him. He didn’t think it was possible. You see?
KC: Well, but, where did you get this...?
JU: So ever since then he’s been trying to get these
skills off me. To know and get it.
KC: Okay, but where did you get it? Where did you get
KC: Where did you get your skills?
JU: From... from the sixteen.
KC: Oh. And this... well uh....
JU: This is a special force in the Middle East. You
see, look, Kerry, these people were aware of what was going
on, so within the armed forces, the top brass in the armed
forces were trying to do something about it, trying to
prevent it from happening. They all knew about the
Bilderberg Group and the first meeting they had in 1954.
Some of these people met in a place called Jarabar. We went
there and destroyed them. We also got documents of advanced
I was told…don’t forget, I was an 18-year-old boy who
never seen a television set in his life, who worked on a
farm, who left school at 14. I went out there, I had no
idea where I was. They trained me in these skills. We went
on various operations throughout the whole of the Middle
East, including Egypt, and these, like I said, I was unaware
at the time exactly what I was doing. I knew that, what I
had been told is that, the elite had infiltrated British
intelligence, the governments in Britain, and were planning
to destroy it, and that’s exactly what they have done.
Britain’s finished now. It’s gone under.
KC: Yeah. I know. I know.
JU: It’s gone under, and we were trying to prevent it.
So, like I said, we killed about 13.... well I’m saying we
killed. We killed about 13 people in Jarabar. And these
people had gotten advanced technology. When we were there,
on the way there to the target area, we saw two ships,
spaceships arguably, leaving the Israeli border. These were
huge things, and when I saw them and I questioned them to
the two others, I was told to forget it, just to forget it.
KC: The Anunnaki?
JU: I was... listen, I was told, when I was learning,
when I had acquired these skills, and when I asked how I
came by these skills, they just said They’re from out of
KC: Yeah. Incredible.
JU: I can prove this.
JU: I can give you a demonstration of these skills and
you won’t recognize it from anywhere. I can disarm
anybody. I can take two or three people out. I can take
guns off people and machetes, whatever. But it’s also the
strategy that’s involved. Do you understand?
JU: It’s the strategy. How do you get near a person
when they’ve got a gun? You have to get close enough to
take the gun before they shoot you. Well all of these
skills I acquired from The Sixteen.
JU: And it goes further than that, Kerry, but I, see, I
can’t go into it. Um...
KC: Uh, okay.
JU: See, look at, these people are so, so clever, and
this was on the way to a place called Jarabar. Now you’ll
not find that place on the map now because it’s been taken
off the map, but if you look on the old maps you’ll find it.
KC: Jalabah. Yeah I’ve heard of it.
JU: Jara. Jarabar.
JU: Jara. “R”. R-a.
JU: Yeah. Jarabar.
KC: Jarabar. Okay.
JU: It’s about 35 mile inland from Lebanon and it’s near
the Israeli border and Syrian borders.
KC: Okay. When you saw the ships, you’re talking about
KC: So the technique is from the E.T.s?
JU: I was brought up during the war. Me family were
very, very poor. I’m not an educated person. And I’ve
never drank in me life. I’ve never smoked in me life. And
when I went into the armed forces, I was called up for
national service, which was two years. I was picked during
a training, because I was a gymnast, and apparently the
qualifications were, that I was a gymnast, I never drank, I
never smoked, and that was one of the main things why they
chose us. And because I had no background. If you’ve got
no background, you have no identity, it’s exactly what
they’re looking for. So when you’re training in these
skills, no matter what I say to people, nobody’s going to
believe us. I’m not of any importance. I’ve got no
credibility, and that’s exactly what they want.
KC: Uhuh. Yes. Wow.
JU: You see? That’s the main qualifications. ‘Cause
there’s no one going to believe us.
KC: Okay so what year...
JU: But now the SAS do believe us. You’re talking about
the specialists in the world. They believe us. They’re
after these skills, and it’s coming out. The Arabs believe
us. They sent for us, and I can prove it, be no doubt. I
got photographs with their officers. I even got a medal off
them, and they’re not going to do that for no reason at
all. They were aware of the operations that took place in
their country. I killed quite a few of their people and
they were fully aware of it. And like I said, that’s why I
KC: Okay, but how long ago did you learn these skills?
JU: It’s 52 years ago now.
KC: And you’ve been able to keep them going the whole
time? So are you willing to put this out in public?
JU: I don’t have to train, I don’t have to do anything.
KC: It en...
JU: It’s part of us now. I can’t forget it. I don’t
have to train. I’m now 72 years of age. I don’t forget any
of these skills whatsoever. I have been put through the
test more than once by the SAS. And like I said, they will
do anything in their power in order to get these skills, and
I won’t give it to them. I won’t allow them to have these
KC: OK, why not? Just out of curiosity.
JU: Because they’re part of system. The false flag
operations, they’re behind them.
JU: The Mossad.
JU: You have to overcome the fear barriers. If you
can’t overcome those fear barriers, you’re just wasting your
time. Half of Americans now in the Middle East are scared,
and this is why they’re killing innocent people. They don’t
know how to cope. Fear, panic sets in. And that’s exactly
what... I’ve just looked at David Icke’s website today and
they’re showing you, shooting some old guy in the middle of
the street, and you can see he’s not carrying any weapons,
he’s not carrying any explosives.
KC: Yes. Absolutely.
JU: And they’re just shooting them down in the street.
All that’s going to do is create more hatred...
JU: to the Americans. You know, you all know it’s false
flag op... we shouldn’t be out there. You know?
JU: The enemy is very, very clever because no matter
what people like David Icke does, he’s actually working for
them. He’s unaware that he’s working for them, because when
he talks about getting the world together, the people
together, that’s exactly what they want. That’s what
they’re after. That’s exactly what they want. And then
KC: Can you explain that a little bit? Can you...
JU: Yeah. The whole object of the exercise, like Ronald
Reagan said, he said If we were being attacked from outer
space, like people from another planet, the world would get
together and we wouldn’t have any problems. This is what
he’s trying to say, get the world together. That’s what
they want. They want to break down the barriers. They want
to bring down the borders. That’s the whole object of the
exercise. This is why we’re all part of European Union, and
yet nobody even wants to be part of the European Union.
That’s just to bring down the borders.
JU: They’re swamping England now, we’re turning into a
multi racial dustbin. I’m not a racist, but we’re turning
into a multi racial dustbin. We’re losing our identity.
JU: I mean, the new laws that’s just coming out from
Brussels. We’re not allowed to have guns anymore, we’re not
allowed to have knives anymore. We’re... no protection at
all. It’s incredible. Kerry, when I was 17, I could go
into a post office and pay 10 shillings. I don’t know if
you... [laughs]. 10 shillings which is about $5 in those
days. And get a license to buy any gun I want. That’s when
I was 17, up to the age I was 20. Now...
JU: you’re not allowed anything. You’re just not
allowed anything. We are, we live in a police state. The
next step now is what they’ve just done is, we have a hung
parliament. The hung parliament is done deliberate.
They’ve got the Liberals and the Tories together now. The
Labour party... ‘cause they’re all part and parcel of the
same people. What they’re doing now is, the Labour party’s
got what, trillions of pounds worth of debt. It’s bringing
millions and millions of people in to make sure that our
young children can’t get a job anywhere.
Now, the idea now is, to get the Tories and Liberals
together and destroy the both parties, because they can’t
get out of this mess. They’re going to look at though they
are responsible for the state of the country, and it’s going
to bring those two parties down together, and that’s exactly
what they want.
KC: Okay. But tell me something, when your got your
training, did you know who or where it was coming from?
KC: You didn’t.
JU: I knew it was, all they said it was out of this
KC: Right, but the people that gave it to you, I mean,
did you see them in...
JU: There was one guy that was very, very strange. He
was about 6’2”, blonde hair, big blue eyes, and he came
every so often. He would come and give us orders. I
trained with a group of four. There were 16 of us. Eight
of us was intelligence. They went out and did intelligence
work. Don’t forget, we didn’t have television in those
days. [laughs] We had nothing. So they were our
intelligence people. So you had eight people who was in
various different parts of the Middle East. They was
gathering information for us, so when you, where our dropoff
points were, pickup points... pickup points is where we
don’t have to take any weapons. We can get the weapons when
we get there, and it’s all planned in advance, see?
KC: Did you speak the language?
JU: Which language?
JU: No. Two of my group, they spoke Arabic. One spoke
Greek, and I was with them for two years. They had been
doing this since 1950. So… one of them disappeared. I
filled that position, because when one disappeared, then I
came in, and I was known as the sixteen, because I was the
KC: I see
JU: You see? So, and then, like I said, they had to
rush me through the training and I had three days where,
three days where they trained us in these three dayswith
this one step beyond business. It was like a form of
hypnosis, but you went in a different dimension. How can I
put it? You were aware something was happening, and you
couldn’t do nothing about it, and when I woke up three days
later, I had got all these skills and me fear barrier had
gone. I wasn’t afraid of anything.
KC: What about your physical, your physicality, did that
JU: What I’m trying to tell is, I’m trying to get the
people who want to fight against this, to train and be
ready. There’s some big disaster’s on the way, and people
have to be prepared for that, they have to be trained in the
right way for it. Going out and buying guns, Kerry, and
learning how to shoot a target, is not going to get you
KC: [laughs] Yeah.
JU: It’s not going to get you anywhere.
JU: ‘Cause the fear is the stumbling block. ‘Cause, you
know, if you don’t know when to pull the gun, if you haven’t
got the guts to pull the trigger, and if the violence around
you affects you in any way, you’re no good on the
KC: Right. What about your mental...
JU: I couldn’t manage to do the training. [laughs]
KC: What, do you, so your mental abilities. Did they
change in any other way?
JU: Um, not really. Just slightly. I mean, I was a
keep fit fanatic before I went in. I still am. And that’s…
no, the physical ability didn’t really change. I found that
the only thing that actually disappeared was the fear. I
have no fear of anything. Nothing at all. And like I said
KC: What about your mental...
JU: I found that I could do things... I found that I
could stop anything. I could take any weapon, and I
couldn’t remember training for it. I don’t know how, I
could just do anything in regards of disarming people, the
strategy, working it out.
KC: Well, uh...
JU: It’s just so hard, I’m sorry, hard to describe. You
have to see it.
KC: What about survival?
JU: You have to actually see it.
KC: What about survival?
JU: You see...
KC: Were you better able to survive, like survive, you
know, physically survive?
JU: Kerry... Kerry, I don’t know if you can see this or
KC: Yes. JU: I taught survival. I teach survival.
JU: I’m a pilot. I have a pilot’s license up there.
I’ve been flying for 12 years. I couldn’t never have done
that before. I did sky diving for six years. I took people
to the Outer Hebrides which is off the west coast of
Scotland. I teach them how to survive, and I did that for
JU: I taught map reading, abseiling, uh...
KC: Did you, did you learn....
JU: Power [unclear: pladen]
KC: Do you think that you learned that during the four
day training session?
JU: During the four days training session, I learned the
skills of combat and survival and the strategy of the
KC: You did.
JU: I learned that within four days. After that, I just
have to keep on... how can I put it, we’re trained with
various different weapons I’ve never seen before. There was
one called the sash. It was when you were not wearing, just
like a white shirt, and the sash was this special weapon
that I’ve tried to duplicate it since and I can get
somewhere near it, but it just doesn’t look anything like
it. It’s when you haven’t, you’re not carrying any
weapons. This weapon can just literally cut you to
smithereens within seconds. I’ve got a copy of one in the
bedroom there which I made up meself, but you have to see it
in action. Here’s something else, Kerry. We never punched
anybody. We didn’t have to use our fists. We don’t have to
use our feet. And you have to see it to believe it, Kerry.
JU: You must see it, okay?
KC: Okay. What about, what about...
JU: I can take... if you if you look…
KC: psychic. Does it make you psychic or telepathic?
JU: No no no no. It doesn’t make you psychic or
telepathic, no. What it does it, it gives you the ability
to work out something in advance.
KC: I see.
JU: Well in advance. In other words, what you were
perhaps saying is like, who is my enemy, where is my enemy
and why is he my enemy. Once you understand that, then no
matter what the enemy does, I am aware of it. I know when
they’re going to do it. And I know how they’re going to do
JU: ... because of that. You see?
KC: Why... okay why...
JU: So it’s a set program.
KC: Let me, let me know why is it you’re not working for
the military right now?
JU: I’m just thinking now.
KC: Did you have a greater capacity to retain
JU: No, no, no, no, no, no. Like I said, the
information, this program, was the skills, the physical
skills ; and the strategy skills were planted after four
days. ‘Cause the military ...
KC: Yeah why...
JU: is working... for the elite. [laughs]
KC: I know, but how did you get out of it? A guy like
you, why would they let you go?
JU: Well, how they did it was, a New World Order was
called the British Empire. Right?
JU: The group was formed within the armed forces
secretly, and what they did was, they took certain people
out of different regiments, so there wasn’t, we didn’t have
a camp. We had a training area which we went to every so
often. Then I went back to camp, so there was no trace of
where I had been. As far as my company was concerned, I’d
been on a working party somewhere. And it’s all been set up
for me. So when I went on a working party, they believed
that I left the camp to go to another camp to work, but I
wasn’t. I was over there training, or I was away on
operation, black ops. So when I came back I disappeared
back into normal forces.
The British government were aware something was taking
place obviously, because they were losing men everywhere.
So one of the ideas was to stop national service, bring the
people away from the Middle East, which they did, and when
they broke up the British Empire, that was the whole idea
was, when we had Hong Kong, they made sure that the people
kept the British passport. They did the same in that way
with India. So these people were entitled to come here. It
was part of a strategy to get thousands of different races
into this country to destroy the British way of life. It’s
all been planned for years and years.
Then you have the Tavistock Institute who brought on
common purpose, who trained common purpose to infiltrate the
police, the security services, and that’s been going on
right up through the present year. Now they’re in full
charge. They... they’ve overtaken everything. Have you
ever heard of Brian Gerrisch?
KC: Uh, I’m sorry. What was the name?
JU: Brian Gerrisch.
KC: Gerrisch. No, I don’t think so.
JU: It’s G-e-double “r”, i-s-c-h.
KC: Yes, okay.
JU: I think you need to contact him.
JU: If you go on google and put his name in, and put the
word common purpose.
JU: Okay? Then you’ll understand why the British army
haven’t got these skills and why I’m not offering it to
KC: Okay. Interesting.
JU: Have you ever heard of the Tavistock Institute?
KC: Oh yes. Absolutely.
KC: Okay. Well, I’ll look at this.
JU: This is where they infiltrated Oxford and
Cambridge. This is where your spies came from, Philby,
Burgess, McLean. They was trying to seek us out, they’re
trying to find out where we were.
KC: Did they ever do it? JU: But we knew every move
they made. But don’t forget, the Queen is behind this. The
royal family’s behind it.
KC: Behind you?
JU: No. [laughs] Behind the take of this, the way
things are going.
KC: Oh yes.
JU: They are the elite.
JU: They are the Illuminati.
KC: Yes. Well, okay, but how have they let you slip
through their fingers? This is what I don’t understand.
JU: I’m not of any importance now. The group obviously
doesn’t exist anymore. When I came out of the armed forces,
I was supposed to stay on for seven years, but they stopped
us. I wasn’t allowed to do that, so when I came out of the
armed forces, I had no way of contacting The Sixteen again.
And don’t forget, these guys were five and six years older
than me, so they’re going to be in their eighties now if
they’re still alive. But they’re... You see, we pulled out
of Cyprus. We handed the islands back over to the Greeks.
So… they handed this…
KC: I’m sorry, you handed the aliens... over to the
JU: No... the island.
KC: Oh yeah, okay.
JU: The Cyprus... the island...
JU: was handed back to them, you see. Like I said, the
Turks took half the island, then the Greeks took the other
KC: Right. Okay.
JU: So, that’s what happened so, what they did was they
pulled the armed forces away from the Middle East and we
couldn’t operate then.
JU: We couldn’t operate because we weren’t there
KC: I see.
JU: They pulled the ordinary units out you see. When
they pulled the units out they pulled me out as well. So
there’s no way I could stay behind or they could stay
behind, because the cover was being in ordinary regiments.
KC: Oh. Yes. Well it is...
JU: You see, because we disappeared in an ordinary
KC: Yeah, but what happened to your leadership?
JU: I have no idea.
KC: You have no idea?
JU: I have no idea at all.
KC: Really. Well...
JU: When I came, when the ten years were up, that I came
out the army, I received a letter with a platform ticket.
You know what a platform ticket is? It allows you on the
KC: Yes, I guess.
JU: Well they sent me a platform ticket through the
JU: and I had to be at the central station in
Newcastle. And when I got there, a chap came up, said it’s
okay... I was known as Geordie. They took the ticket off
us, tore this up, and said Right. We won’t be contacting
you any more.
JU: And that’s all I know.
KC: That’s incredible. That’s it, for your whole life?
JU: That’s it.
KC: What year was that?
JU: That would be... let’s see now... that’s 35, 40
years ago now.
KC: Oh you’re kidding. What do you mean?
JU: Well I didn’t have any credibility. I was just an
ordinary working lad.
JU: Who the hell’s going to believe me?
JU: They’re very, very clever people these... that...
nobody would believe this, even the SAS until I went down to
Hereford and proved it.
KC: Okay, but when did you go down and prove it?
JU: 18 months ago.
KC: Oh. So why all of a sudden did you come forward.
Why did you wait...
JU: I didn’t. What I tried to do, I wrote the book
because I wrote the book trying to get a hold of the
sixteen, a company called Britam, it’s one of the top
security companies in England...
JU: Contacted me. That’s 14 years ago.
KC: So they just set you loose at that point? That was
JU: I don’t think they had any other option.
KC: Weren’t aware that you could have talked? They
weren’t worried about that?
JU: What, with my background?
JU: And a chap called David Golding, he’s the chap who
sent me to Hereford to put me through the test. It was then
when I started to realize exactly who these people were.
KC: Who were they?
JU: [laughs] They’re working for the elite.
KC: Oh. Okay, but they’re the SAS is what you mean.
JU: Yeah, yeah. You see. Britam.
KC: Yeah, I hear you.
JU: If you... I’ll send you some documented proof.
KC: Okay. Well this is very, very interesting.
JU: After 18 months of the guy, I was sick of waiting,
and I wasn’t going to bother with him any more. And this is
what he said: John you are not to call it a day. You have
the best... sorry You have the best. Stop letting other
people run your life. So that admitting what I’ve got is
the best. This is a top security company who the head guy
of their company is also SAS, which is Special Air Services,
and, like I said, they’ve offered me money, and when I
discovered exactly who they were working for ... And... it
was when I…
KC: How did you discover that?
JU: Well I found out about, I found about the SAS doing
false flag operations.
KC: Is that through contacts?
JU: Then... pardon? Yeah that was through contacts on
my way in.
JU: They said most of the lads in the SAS are totally
unaware, just like most of the troops now in the Middle East
are totally unaware of what they’re doing or why they’re
doing it. They just do it.
JU: It’s supposed to be for king and country, but
it’s... we all know it’s a lie. We know the war’s a lie,
but they’re still doing it. Don’t ask me why, but they just
do. They do it, and they know it’s wrong. They know they
shouldn’t be doing it.
KC: Yes. Absolutely. Well, are you aware of the
JU: Well I’ve been near it, put it that way. I’ve been
very near it.
KC: Okay. So, did you guys...
JU: See, listen. When we went to Egypt, the asset of
the operation was, the operation was get Nasser . It
wasn’t. It was an archeologist. Yes I am. [laughs]. I
wish I ... [laughs]. Yes I am.
KC: Okay. JU: On one of the stargate in the Gulf of
KC: Yeah. Okay good. Have you been there?
JU: This guy had a box, and in the box was advanced
technology. That’s all I was told. So I had to get into
this big compound surrounded by 13’ fences, two 13’ fences,
with a dog patrol, Russians inside and the Arabs as well.
We got into that building, and these are some of the skills
that the SAS are, want off us, were trying to get off us. I
proved that we can get from one side into the building
without anybody seeing us.
JU: With a [scuz whip]. We got into the building. This
was 11 o’clock at night. We got into his office. In
Cairo. He was a Russian archeologist. This was 1959. All
I know was, we had to get into this compound. We’d killed
the guy. We’ve got the documents we needed, we’ve got the
box we needed. When we killed him, we shot him in the
head. We used a oil filler off a car or from a wagon. It
was brand new, acting as a silencer. But what we did was,
we made it look like suicide. There was only one door to go
into his office. There was three windows which were
barred. You couldn’t get out. There’s only the small
door. We went outside the door, put the bullets in, locked
the door, put the keys in his pocket, but we weren’t in the
room when we did it.
JU: Yeah, and I can prove that. I can share how it’s
JU: Now the SAS had read the book, and this is why the
book comes over like a fairy tale...
JU: because they can’t even imagine it. I explain in
the book how it’s done and they still don’t know how it’s
done. When he came to my club, I showed him how to do it in
my office, and I put the keys in his hand and I wasn’t in
the room when I did it. I was outside in the passage.
KC: Oh. Well so he’s seen you in action then.
JU: Well he’s seen it, but they still don’t know how to
KC: Oh really.
JU: I mean, I actually showed him, but the techniques I
used… We have, what you call it, an initiative course.
What he’s got to do is, I put an egg on a piece of wood at
the bottom end of me hall, the far end of the hall which is
about 40 feet away, okay?
JU: He’s to stand at this end. He stands at this end of
the hall, okay? He has to pick the egg up and bring it to
him without breaking the egg, but he hasn’t got to leave
KC: Oh so you can do telekinesis?
JU: No, no forget about that. No this is ... [laughs].
It’s not telekinesis. I mean, have you ever saw telekinesis
JU: I mean, really done? You just take their word for
JU: Well, it can’t be done. This was done, and this is
done through common sense, it’s done by bits of string, but
he couldn’t do it. He had eight attempts, and he still
couldn’t do it. But I would show you how these things are
done, and these are just initiative courses. It’s to plant
ideas in your head, so when you come across an obstacle, you
can overcome that obstacle.
JU: Like for instance, I can walk up to a river, which
is planned in advance, ‘cause I know what’s there, what to
expect. So I walk up to a river that you wouldn’t be able
to get across say in a boat. It’s too deep. It’s
impassible. But I can get from one side to the other by
meself with me equipment and I won’t touch the water. And
when I get on the other side, all the equipment will be
gone, the equipment I used.
JU: This is what they’re after. That’s what these
people are after.
KC: [laughs] All right well... JU: They’re not only
just after those particular skills. They’re after the
combat skills [sound of him knocking something over] - sorry
- excuse me.
KC: The combat skill?
JU: Yeah. Because, like I said, we don’t use our
fists. I’ll say it again, in the armed forces, people have
things like bullet proof vests, grenades, helmets, you name
it. They’ve got it, to protect themselves. Kicking and
punching someone that’s not going to get you anywhere. It
won’t get you anywhere. All this jumping about in your bare
feet screaming and punching… See when you punch someone,
Kerry, you push them away. You have to face them. And they
know that you’re going to do something so therefore the
punch isn’t going to hit them that hard anyway. Of course
it could damage your fist.
JU: You got to be able to surprise them. You have to
able to break parts of their body and without using your
fists and without kicking, and it has to be done in such a
way where other people can’t get at you. All of this
business about some martial arts guy standing in the middle
when everybody’s surrounding him and everybody’s jumping
about waiting for their turn to come in. It’s not like that
in real life!
KC: Oh yes. Absolutely.
JU: They won’t come... they’ll all come in at once.
JU: I could… I could really do that. I can really do
it with a bunch of shits. Whatever they’ve got, I can take
it off them.
JU: This is what the SAS are after. Their martial arts
expert sat down shaking.
JU: He just couldn’t believe it. And ever since then.
Ever since then, Kerry, this SAS officer has been telling no
one. He doesn’t want anyone to know. What he wants us to
get the skills himself and say that the skills come from the
JU: So they’re keeping me down. They don’t want me to
go anywhere near the SAS brass of soldiers in the SAS. They
don’t want me to come along because they’ll say... this
comes from John Urwin. These skills are coming from him.
They don’t want that. They can’t have someone like me
KC: Well you’ve got a website out there though. So are
you training people?
JU: No, no, no, I’m not training people in those
particular skills. The idea of putting the website up,
again. People who try to get, we’re training nobody. What
I’m trying to do is contact the sixteen, and that’s why I
put the damn website up.
JU: But you can’t get, look at, you can only get the
website up if you put my name in. You can’t get it up any
other way. In other words if you put ‘combat’ in or
‘special forces skills’, me website doesn’t come up.
KC: Well, okay. Do you, I mean, look. I’ve been
recording this. I can release this interview if you want.
JU: Yeah whatever you want, yeah. KC: Do you want to
go under your name? I mean, what to do, do you want
JU: What I’m trying to do now is this. What I would
like, this is what I’m trying to do is, there’s some big,
big problems coming our way. What I would like is your
patriots to train people who are going to be facing these
JU: At the same time, you’ll be able to make money out
of it, to keep your business going as well. But I’m not
doing this for the money. I mean, I need money, because my
wife is 16 years younger than me. She had a stroke five
JU: She’s paralyzed on one side. You see? So, I need
people to look after her when I’m training people. But we
all need money, otherwise we can’t live. But I’m not really
doing this for the money.
KC: Did they become your friends?
JU: No, just... I saw the sixteen, the members of the
sixteen on about two or three occasions. That’s about all.
But we actually worked in fours you see. There was four of
KC: I see.
JU: And what happened was, like I said, eight of the
sixteen was gathering intelligence, and laying things out
for us, and that’s roughly how it works. I don’t know
exactly how they did it ‘cause we’re not allowed that
KC: I mean, haven’t, so the American government hasn’t
tried to contact you. No military people from America?
JU: No. But… no, no, no, no, no. I don’t think
they even know about this.
JU: Yeah, I don’t think they know anybody about this.
KC: Did you ever see anybody besides the tall blonde
JU: No. Yes, but we didn’t know each others names.
[sound of Kerry’s cell phone ringing] We had nicknames.
KC: Oh really. Yeah.
JU: Yeah well that’s it. So there’s lots of things I’m
not saying. There’s lots of things I won’t show people, for
obvious reasons. But like I said, we’re, I’m sort of
marked. I’m what you call, I’m marked green. Do you know
what that means?
JU: How can I put it. I’m not cast as dangerous.
KC: Oh really.
JU: Yeah I’m not classed as dangerous at this stage.
It’s only when I start making contacts I look as though
something’s taking place is when I turn from green to
JU: ... and it goes to red.
JU: Well this is how it’s done. They’re listening now.
And everything we do. Okay?
JU: I’ve still got friends who tell me this and tell me
what’s happening and when it’s happening. So I’m fully
aware really of what’s going on in various places In
England. I mean I knew about the things that took place in
London. I’m not mentioning certain words because they are
key words. Now that tragedy that took place in London...
JU: We knew all about that. We knew how it was going to
be done. It’s the same like 9-11.
KC: Did you know ahead of time?
JU: People are... Yeah yeah. Like I said, we knew a
day in advance that it was going to happen.
KC: What about 9-11. Did you know about 9-11?
JU: Well, no I didn’t. When 9-11 took place, we knew, I
knew exactly it was… it had been brought down by
explosives. And I know that no aeroplanes were involved.
There was no aeroplanes at all involved.
JU: And... no aeroplane can possibly cut through solid
steel girders and concrete floors. [laughs] It just can’t
do it. It’s not possible.
JU: You see, the art of self defense, Kerry, is the
element of surprise. To know all these interviews you’ve
done…how do you sleep at night?
KC: Well, I mean, I think that, we’re basically doing
the best we can to wake people up to what’s going on, and to
KC: ... to help them prepare mentally and spiritually
for what’s going on.
JU: Do you think you’re making any real progress?
KC: Oh yeah. Definitely.
JU: I think once people wake up. I mean, I don’t know
how you’re going to wake them up, but, I think, even if you
do wake them up, they wouldn’t know what to do anyway. He
said, the blueprint for control of the world, was called the
KC: [laughs] Yes.
JU: That’s the blue…
KC: That’s right. Well you’re going to...
JU: If you look at the Bible, you use ... it’s fear
again, it’s where it’s supposed to drown people, bring
plagues on people, and they took full responsibility for
what had happened, and that was the whole idea. It’s fear
again, but, like I said, they had to wait for these things
to happen in those days, before they could take
responsibility. Today they have the ability to inflict that
on people now. They can do it quite easily. They can make
earthquakes, they can change the weather patterns, they can
do anything. But I think it’s going to blow our minds.
It’s going to be so much of a shock to them...
KC: Oh really?
JU: ... to understand that... everything they know has
been a lie. Everything.
JU: See I was told, off Ken, which was this long blonde
KC: What about the future? Do you know what’s going to
be happening literally?
JU: They’re trying, see, Kerry, they’re going to get all
the logistics in place first, in the end. I need to know
more, to find out exactly where these people, where the
elite are lacking. See, so something’s taking place now,
and we need more information. Therefore we can know exactly
what their next step’s going to be. The European Union now
is starting to crumble....
JU: And they’re going to have to do something about
that. They’re going to have to do something relatively
KC: Who is? Who?
JU: The peace and war false flag... the British
JU: The elite. The elite. The Illuminati. You know,
they’re going to have to do something pretty quickly.
KC: What about Iran?
JU: Within the next six months, there’s going to be some
more false flag operations taking place on a big scale. And
they’re going to take place here in England and in Europe.
That, I do know of.
JU: I think what they’re going to do is that, they’re
going to do some serious damage to England and America from
now until Christmas. They’ve got to totally disarm you.
They’ve got to have you begging for food so they can control
you and that’s exactly what they’re going to do here.
KC: Well, this is pretty interesting, I have to say.
JU: I don’t think they’re going to touch Iran for quite
KC: But what about... what about China?
JU: What about China. I’m not very, very rehearsed in
that at the moment. I’m trying to find out more. But I
don’t know exactly what’s going on there. I’m going to try
to find out in the next two weeks.
JU: But this... this, what’s happening in Korea, South
Korea, North Korea, where the North Koreans are supposed to
have sunk one of the South Korean ships with a torpedo. I’m
not quite... I think that’s false flag as well. In fact,
I’m sure it is. They’re building up to something.
KC: What’s false flag?
JU: You see what they need, these people need standing
armies. It’s like the Roman Empire. It’s like the British
Empire. The reason why the British Empire failed, is ‘cause
they needed standing armies. Today, what they’ve got is,
they have the weaponry. They don’t need a standing army.
They have the necessary weapons to achieve what they’re
trying to achieve. Like I said, during the last war, they
had virtually nothing. They just relied on armies, but like
I said, they needed standing armies, and it failed then.
They just couldn’t do it. That’s why they had to withdraw.
This is why the British Empire broke up, and then ... like I
KC: What do you mean they needed standing armies,
because they needed their armies to stay in the country?
What are you saying, they didn’t have the man power?
JU: It’s like now, the American army, the British army’s
all over the world.
JU: And unless they start using some kind of high tech
weaponry, they won’t be able to maintain that. It’s not
KC: Well, okay, yeah.
JU: It’s just not possible to do it. Like I said, the
armies now, they’re in North Africa. They’re in Somalia.
They’re in Pakistan, they’re in Iraq.
JU: They’re in Afghanistan, and what’s happening the
whole thing’s starting to crumble now. So therefore, what
they’ve got to do now is, they’ve got to use some kind of
nuclear device, because the armies are becoming weaker.
They can’t supply the men. There isn’t enough men to go
around, if you understand what I mean. I mean, we haven’t
got national service in this country anymore. They haven’t
got a steady flow of men coming into the armed forces.
KC: Aren’t the British working with the Americans and
JU: Yeah. Exactly. Yes, of course they are. But, you
see, we have a relatively small army. Where one had
national service that had a steady influx of men every
year. They haven’t got that now.
JU: People aren’t going into the army. So the armies
are becoming weaker, and this is why they’re wanted to bring
in some kind of national service up in America, because
people aren’t going in the army anymore. In fact, you’ll
find that a lot of… they want to be out of the armed forces,
they’re disillusioned to what’s going on out there, and this
is why you’re going to have another false flag operation
taking place, because of that. And that’s going hap... this
is going to happen before Christmas.
KC: What does the false flag operation serve, in your
JU: A false flag will make people, hopefully, make
people join the armed forces, just like 9-11. 9-11 gave
them, got people mad, to attack this foreign enemy, the
enemy that doesn’t really exist. And that’s why they’re out
there. They needed another false flag operation.
KC: Right. Well isn’t it going to be...
JU: And this ups the ante...
KC: Isn’t it, you know about Blue Beam, Project Blue
JU: I know about Blue Beam, I know about HAARP. Yeah.
KC: Okay. So you know that they’re going to use an
alien invasion for the next enemy right?
JU: That’s in the middle of next year.
KC: Middle of next year? That soon?
JU: Yeah. You’re going to see more signs of them now.
In fact, I’ve got a picture of one outside of my house a
JU: It’s a poor picture, but I’ve got a picture. It’s,
I’ve got it on me PC. One flying saucer was seen going down
the M1, sorry, the M6 and two jet fighters were chasing it,
and that was only a month ago. And that’s in the local
JU: So you’re going to see a lot more of these flying
saucers. It’s going to be a gradual buildup.
KC: Yup. Okay well you know about, do you know about
the Rendelsham Forrest incident?
JU: No. When was this?
KC: Well, that’s in Britain. It was a UFO...
JU: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand. The American
JU: Came across these flying saucers.
JU: Yeah. I know about that. Yes I do.
JU: Yeah. Yeah.
KC: What about you? Have you had any exposure since
then to offworlders or E.T.s?
JU: No, I haven’t come across anything like that. No.
KC: What about human looking E.T.s?
JU: The last time I came across something like that was
15 years ago...
JU: ... and that was Ken. That was Ken. Part of the
KC: That was Ken.
JU: That was Ken. That was the intermediary. He’s the
guy that came with the orders. He’s the guy who came up
with the plans. He’s the guy who’s part of the one step
beyond which is, like I said it’s... brain programming.
KC: I understand.
JU: …Thing and regarding. Yeah?
KC: Have you ever gone into a portal?
JU: No. No. When you’re in special forces, Kerry, you
don’t have that... they’ve got full control of you and they
don’t tell you that much. They just give you some idea, but
they won’t tell you all of it. You’re not meant to know.
It’s as simple as that.
KC: But you can...
JU: Your job is... you’re put on exerci… an operation
and you do the operation. It’s as simple as that. You go
there, they give you the skills, and they give you the know
how, to do it. And you come back, and that’s it,
KC: Do you think that you had your mind...
JU: ‘Cause the less I know, the better.
KC: I know, but do you think you had your memory wiped
at any point?
JU: Yes. Yes and... yes. Yes I believe I did. I
don’t... yeah. There’s some parts of operation Jarabar
where I can’t remember certain things that we did. [blows
his nose] Like I said, it’s... I just can’t remember.
[laughs] I can’t remember.
KC: Okay yeah. Very interesting.
JU: I was hoping you might have someone over here. I
take it you have no one in England working for you?
KC: Uh, yeah, um...
JU: You see, before you do anything, Kerry, I always say
that, you want physical proof of what I’m saying. I can
KC: Okay. What if I came with a camera. You could show
me it that way, won’t...
JU: Yeah okay. I can show.... [connection goes dead and
some touch tone dialing sounds] Automatic message: The
person whom you’re trying to reach is currently
unavailable. Please leave a message... [phone ringing
JU: What happened there? Any idea?
KC: No, other than I said I was going to come over
KC: So it’s okay with you if I release this as an
interview and put it out there with your name and
JU: Something else we were taught: only believe half of
what you see, half of what you hear.
KC: [laughs] Okay. That makes sense. Okay, you take
care of yourself.
JU: You do the same. Take care, Kerry. It’s been very,
very nice talking to you.
KC: All right. Talk to you tomorrow. Bye bye.
JU: Okay. Take care.
KC: Take care.
JU: I will have to prove it to you. It can be proven.