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31 December 2008

bob dean: bringing in the light

Bob Dean | Bringing in the Light
Los Angeles, April 2010 | .mp3

Bob Dean is a legend in his own time. He is, I believe, a one-man disclosure project. Ask him to the party and you barely need anyone else to make the case, for the truth behind ufos, ETs and the secret space program. He lends a touch of class to everything he touches.

After two brilliant interviews with Dean, imagine my surprise when I got a call from him telling me he wanted to come forward again... He had, he says, barely grazed the surface of what he knows. Hard to believe but who am I to quarrel with the 'great Yoda"?

So to Laughlin we went. I was accompanied by Jack Burns, the notorious, future, giver of Camelot conferences... A man who has attracted controversy and even, some believe, ignominy to Camelot in the process.... When these two war horses met it was a meeting of brothers. They had ridden together back in the days of the Knights Templar, they said. And Dean greeted him like the long lost comrade he was. With Jack's help -- handling the roving camera... I sat down with the retired Command Sergeant Major to have another go... and down the rabbit hole we went. A bit deeper in search of the real truth behind the matrix. And Bob did what he does best... bringing in the light.

Kerry Lynn Cassidy
Aoril 2010
Interview shot in February 2010

Interview transcript |

Bob Dean | Bringing in the Light
Los Angeles, April 2010


“Oh my gosh, don't get me started! I'm going to have to get myself a Jack Daniels and then we'll really have an interview here!”

“I was in the back seat of a car with a couple of them and we were going down the highway in this... near Ajo, Arizona, which is not far from the Mexican border, and we went into a fog, and the next thing you know [laughs], we went into a portal.”

“My God, they don't want us to know about the Aerospace Command here, would you believe that? Trillions of dollars a year are going off to a military command that the American people don't even know exists?”

“It's not courage, Baby. They rubbed me the wrong way, I got angry! That's why I sued the Sheriff.”

Beginning of Interview:

KERRY CASSIDY (KC): Hi, I'm Kerry Cassidy with Project Camelot Productions and we're here with Bob Dean for our third interview, which is going to be very exciting because Bob is going to pull out all the stops and tell us everything he's never told us.

We'd like to welcome you, Bob Dean. We're here at Laughlin, actually, and it is February of 2010, just to mark the time, because after this many things may change. Isn’t that right?

BOB DEAN (BD): They're changing every day... and they ain’t seen nothing yet!

KC: Okay. [laughs] So tell me, what is new in your world? And why is it that you feel that you can come forward at this time and actually talk about something that perhaps you didn't tell me in our last two interviews, and feel that the time is right to talk about now?

BD: I'm not at all sure the time is right, but I felt that I had to be candid and be honest about a part of my life that I've never shared before. I was a bit of a coward over the years, to be honest with you.

I had a personal intimate relationship with non-human Intelligence since I was three years old. And I became totally convinced and concerned, and accepted and committed to the idea when I was in combat in Korea, when I was in combat in the jungles of Southeast Asia, and my life was changed, and my life was saved time and time and time again – situations where I should have died, situations where all my friends around me died and I didn't. I got wounded, but I'm here.

And over the years more and more and more it became quite clear to me that something else was going on. Then after I went through a series of past life regressions a number of years ago, the lid was lifted, as it were, off of my little teapot of subconscious and conscious memories.

Not only did I begin to not just remember, but in some cases I literally re-lived events, things, happenings, in other times, in other places. And I think that series of past life regressions probably is what triggered full-scale memory realisation of my intimate involvement with, as I say, non-human Intelligence.

But I seldom shared that with anybody because, as you can well understand, in this world, in the United States [laughs] in the 20th century – and I'm a child of the 20th century, for good God’s sake; I was born in 1929, I grew up during the Depression, so I'm a child of the 20th century. You just didn't come out and speak openly and honestly about something like this.

And to be honest with you, there were places they could have locked me up, literally. If I'd been candid about it and open about it while I was on active duty in the military, I might have been put under observation or something, you know.

The people who may be listening and watching this I'm sure understand exactly what I'm saying, because you just don't come out and speak openly about something like this to the public, because the public wasn't ready. And I’ve had misgivings whether the public’s ready even now.

Now, you and I have had a little difference of opinion [Kerry laughs] on how aware and how prepared the public is...

KC: Absolutely! Absolutely.

BD: the reality of the extraterrestrial presence. For many, many years I strove to bring this out. I educated in Congress, on The Hill, House of Representatives, Senate offices, to have hearings on the subject and bring the whole damn story out.

And then over the years I developed the attitude that maybe the people really weren't ready for it. You're convinced that they are, and I'm convinced that some of them are. But I'm convinced that the masses are not.

Anyhow, I love you dearly and we'll disagree on that. [Kerry laughs]

KC: Okay. Well, so you have past life experiences.

BD: Past life memories, yes, from…

KC: You've also had ET experiences…

BD: Many.

KC: …since you were three years old. I don't know that you've ever actually related the one that happened to you when you were three. Do you want to put that down here or do you want to go in a different direction?

BD: Well, that was the beginning and I'll touch upon it if you think it's pertinent, yeah.

KC: I think so.

BD: Well, my dad was a railroader and at that time we were living in Covington, Kentucky. Dad was in and out of Cincinnati and that's why Covington was an appropriate little place to live.

Being a Pisces, I've always loved water, and the nearest water to where we lived in Covington was an industrial canal that had been dredged just about a block from my house… for a foundry, where they carried ore into the foundry and they carried the slag back, and so on.

Anyhow, this industrial canal was very steep. It had been dredged; the sides were very steep, 40 feet from the bank down to the water. These heavy ore barges were going back and forth from time to time. I loved to go down there as a little tyke and throw little pieces of wood into the water and I'd throw pebbles on the... you know, play my little games.

Well, my little game got away from me one day and I tumbled off the edge into the water, 40 feet down… little play-suit on. Good God, it's vivid like it was yesterday!

Here I am splashing around at the bottom of this wall of mud, striving to get out, clawing at the edges of this thing, and the more I clawed the wetter it got and the more slippery it became. And I'm soaking wet and, you know...

To my three-year-old mind it struck me that: This has been a short trip; I'm going to drown. I'm dying; I'm ready to go under. I kid you not that three-year-olds are pretty bright, pretty sharp, pretty perceptive. And here I am, I'm ready to go... it's been a short trip.

But about that time a powerful pair of hands grasped me from behind, got me under the arms – I felt them; I can feel those hands even now – lifted me up 40 feet out of that canal and placed me on the bank of this industrial canal. I'm soaking wet and covered with mud.

Nobody behind me. I mean, I'm in the water in the canal and there's nobody behind me, but I remember this powerful pair of hands lifting me up and putting me on the bank.

Once it dawned on me that there was nobody there, I don't know what really went through my mind at that time other than the fact that: I'm in deep trouble. I'm in deep doo-doo, because when my mother would see me, I know she would know that I'd violated all her rules. And God, I knew I was going to get it – whack, whack, whack, whack, whack, whack! She's crying at the same time she's whacking me, you know, because she knew I'd been in the water down there.

And the event itself… [blip in audio, words missing] ... but it was in there.

I think over the years that memory surfaced from time to time and I found myself looking back and thinking: Did I imagine that or was that real? And then as I got a little older and became aware of all of the other events of my life when it happened where I should not have lived, that surfaced again and again, that event.

KC: Well, you've told me, you know… Can you describe some of those incidents in which you lived and others didn't? You don't have to go into too much depth, but just to give people a taste of what you're talking about. What you mean by that?

BD: Like what?

KC: Well, you said in some cases you were in a military situation in which all the people around you died and you did not. Can you describe a couple of those?

BD: Well, I can remember one: I was an infantry platoon leader. I was a Second Lieutenant when I got to Korea in 1951. I led an infantry platoon in combat – 32nd Infantry Regiment, 7th Infantry Division – in one of the God-most-awful bloody wars we've ever had. They refer to Korea as “the forgotten war,” but for those of us who were there – and there aren't a hell of a lot of us left – we've never forgotten. We never forgot it.

There was one time we were on an attack and we knew that we were going to engage a Chinese division. Now, the Chinese had come into the war in ’50, at the end of the year in 1950. You've heard about the winter there, the Chosin Reservoir events and all of this. Well, thank God I wasn't in there.

But when I arrived the Chinese were in full commitment to the war and there was a fresh Chinese division in front of us and we were attacking that division. We’re moving forward through a pine forest in the mountains and I hear music and I thought: My God, what the hell? Where's the music coming from? My favourite... one of my favourite pieces was the Grieg Piano Concerto and I'm hearing the Grieg Piano Concerto!

Well, my company runner, my radioman, comes up. He says: Lieutenant? He says: Where the hell’s the music coming from? I hear music back there.

And I says: I hear it, too. Go find out if any of those nitwits in the outfit have gotten a radio or are playing a tape or something… you know, because here we are moving forward into an attack that turned out to be one of the bloodiest we'd ever had. I'd lost about a third of my platoon that day and there's some music being heard – Grieg Piano Concerto, one of my favourites.

We got into combat. Well, my runner came back later and he says: Lieutenant, nobody's got a radio, nobody's playing a tape. And he heard the music, too.

And we went through this mess, lost a bunch of kids. After it was all over with I'm sitting there thinking about it. I didn't get a scratch. Where the hell did the music come from? Was I fantasizing? Well, I couldn't have been because my radioman heard it also, the company runner heard it. Small event.

There was another event later that involved sitting around a fire after a day’s activity and… about six of us. I get up to take a pee. I step away 20 feet, a mortar round comes in, lands right on top of the damn fire, kills everybody. I'm unscathed, untouched.

KC: Unbelievable.

BD: In Vietnam, another case – helicopter. There were about six of us in the chopper, plus the two crewmen and we're chogging away and, you know, not very high, maybe 600 feet. I look down and I see holes in the floor of the helicopter – and there were no holes in it when we got in it. [Kerry laughs] Holes in the floor!

And I looked to somebody and said: There weren't holes in the floor of this damn thing (it was a Huey) when we got in it.

And he said: No, there sure as hell weren't.

The next thing we know is an AK47 round got into the engine, froze the engine up, down we went, the ’copter crashed, burst into flame. I was the only survivor. [long sigh] Forgive me… the memories are vivid. I walked away unscathed.

Well, over the years I began putting two and two together, and not being terribly bright but not being stupid, it began to dawn on me that something's going on here and it's tied in with that event when I was three years old, and it's been going on and on and on and on.

Well, they finally got to me. They finally got to me and I began to realise that when I incarnated on this planet, I must have come for a purpose – not just to have a good time, you know, jollies and all – but I must have come for some reason.

Well, then a series of face-to-face meetings took place between me and them. And I must tell you and make it very clear: I have never been abducted, because that’s not a word I use. Literally I have been invited and...

KC: Are you saying that you were having these meetings while you were in the military?

BD: To some degree, yes, but not as blatantly and openly as it happened later.

My face-to-face confrontations with them have been pretty regular in the last 20 years. And that’s not an accident in itself, because when I started speaking openly and bluntly about the extraterrestrial presence in 1991 in Tucson, Arizona, and violating my National Security Oath in a big way, that's when the overt, blatant, face-to-face meetings began to take place.

KC: So did the meetings happen… In other words, I'm wondering if the meetings spurred you on to disclose, or whether or not you decided to disclose and then suddenly you're having face-to-face meetings?

BD: A great deal of both.

KC: Okay.

BD: My decisions, I think, were based basically on my anger and frustration with the American government for lying to the people for so many years – my anger and frustrations at the American media and the public itself, of not paying attention, not being interested, not giving a damn, not seemingly willing to even care about this greatest story in human history.

So it was a little bit of both. I think their involvement has been a major factor, and I think my own decision, as I began to realise over the years who I was… I mean literally, spiritually, who I was and why I came here.

KC: But, you know, you told the story in the first interview of finding this book, in going into a safe, while you were a Command Sergeant Major.

BD: Well, I was a Master Sergeant at the time.

KC: Okay. And the name of the book is the...

BD: An Assessment.

KC: An Assessment. And this was when you were in Europe, right?

BD: When I was at SHAPE Headquarters in Paris. I went there in ’63, 1963.

KC: Okay. So at that point… I'm going to assume that the memories that you’re talking about, even when you were three years old, were these gone? Had they been buried and then were triggered? Was there any kind of interaction that you actually had prior to that? Or after that?

BD: When I first was exposed to The Assessment in the war room, in SHOC, in Paris in 1964, after it was published in the summer of ’64, I read it and it was a bit of a shock. And there was also another factor, Kerry, where I said, you know, kind of: I've known this. I've been aware of this. This is not really that big a surprise to me.

Reading it on paper, seeing it in this Cosmic Top Secret document, made an impact: Ah, you know, the military for three years have been studying this.

No, the whole thing… The Assessment, I told you before it was about that thick [measures the size in the air] but it was filled with Annexes and Appendices, ten of them.

I read the books. I read the Appendices, the Annexes. I looked at the photographs. I studied the autopsies – there was a crash in northern Germany, for God’s sake, where they retrieved a crash of a UFO with twelve small bodies in it. And the impact was pretty impressive, but there was a part of me that somehow knew this was all true. I was...

KC: Did you ever think that they set you up? [Bob laughs] Did you ever think that they let you do what you did?

BD: Well, who are we talking about? Who set me up and who let me do this?

KC: Well, you tell me.

BD: Was it the military guys? Was it the Colonel who threw the thing on my desk and said: Read this, this'll wake you up? Or was it them? [pointing upwards]

KC: Right.

BD: And I've come to a point in time where I'm convinced that they generally are calling the shots.

Now, it could have been a little of both. I mean, the Colonel may have said: Look, you know, Master Sergeant, you're dosing off – it was three in the morning. [gestures, book being tossed on a desk] Plop. Read this. It'll wake you up.

But I think that they had a hand in it. [points upwards again] I think they've had a hand in damn near everything, Kerry, the more I have grown older and a little wiser and more perceptive. I'm at a point in my life where I don't miss much. I pay attention.

KC: I agree with that. [laughs]

BD: And I have learned over the years that there are bigger players in this drama, this human experience. They are major players and have been from the very beginning.

KC: Okay. But you actually must agree that when you go “those guys upstairs,”[points upward] to some degree they're also working with the military. I mean, we know this now.

BD: Yes. Yes, we do.

KC: And I don't know when or even if that was in the report, or whether you became clued in later, just how much dialogue with the....

BD: Kerry, the report itself was a military study for three years and it had a purpose, and it was simply this: To determine whether there was or was not a military threat to Allied forces in Europe in 1963 - ’67 and so on, because these things had been flying all over central Europe for years.

Gordon Cooper told me one time, he said: They were all over the damn place when he was flying the jets over in Germany in the years before he became an astronaut.

Well, these objects had damn near triggered World War Three. On the 2nd of February in 1961 they had a major flyover where they came out of the Soviet sector, Warsaw Pact, flew over central Europe and Germany. Over the southern coast of England… over the Channel, they turned north in formation, obviously under intelligent control, and then this flight disappeared off of our radar over the Norwegian Sea.

KC: And we're talking about flying saucers?

BD: We're talking about large metallic circular disc-shaped objects, obviously under intelligent control.

KC: Okay. And is it possible that these were actually built by the Nazis and then...?

BD: Well, now you bring up a question that I'm not prepared to give you an answer to here, because this is after World War Two. We've learned over the years, for those of us who’ve been paying attention, that the Germans had technology far beyond what most people were told.

We learned that the Germans had incredibly advanced… apparently some form of extraterrestrial technology, because Germans were flying circular discs back... oh God, according to my friend Jim Nichols, they were flying them in the ’30s.

KC: Okay. But what I want to know is when you became clued in as to the relationship between the ETs… And I'm assuming your dealings were with the Nordics, and you can correct me if I'm wrong.

BD: The ones that I've generally met face to face with were Tall Blondes.

KC: Mm-hm. And the military… like at what point...? Because you're actually being… in being shown that document and being clued in, you're being brought into a club, as it were.

BD: That was no accident. My being exposed to The Assessment in 1964, I don't think was just a fluke.

KC: So they brought you into the “old boys’ network” at that point, in a deeper way.

BD: [laughs] Yeah, that's probably very appropriate. Yes.

KC: Okay. And you had friends, as you say in our other interviews, in high places, both with them and with some very specific individuals in your career path, I'm sure.

BD: Oh yes.

KC: And some of those individuals may also have been responsible for keeping you alive to this day.

BD: Well, there's no question about it.

KC: Okay.

BD: There's been an on-going war, and I know you are aware of this. Our so-called “authorities”, our Elite… What is it we refer to? The Powers That Be... there's been a battle going on in Washington and other places for many, many years, a division between the “authorities.”

There are those who say: We've got to bring this all out. We've got to tell the people; the people deserve the answers; they need the information. It'll help bring about an expansion of consciousness, which is essential to our survival.

And then there are others who say not only: No, but: Hell no. This story is so damn big we can't tell the people because they're not ready.

And that little war has been going back and forth. Well, I've encountered both sides. I've had people, you know, from this group and from this group and, to be honest with you, I've ended up agreeing with this group and agreeing with this group: Yes, it's got to come out. No, it can't come out. We discussed this at dinner the other night...

KC: Exactly. So way back when… Because at this point, you know, we're talking ’64 and you're being brought into the loop, but you're not actually... I'm assuming you're not having face-to-face contact with the ETs at this point?

BD: Not at that time that I can remember. Now, I may have had them…

KC: Sure.

BD: …but I didn't remember. Because these guys are so advanced, not only technologically, but spiritually and sociologically… We're dealing here, Honey, and you know this, we're dealing with a Type 2 Civilization.

Now, in the last few years I'm convinced that there is a major Power that’s in this game that is a Type 4 Civilization. Now we're getting into the realm here of spirituality, where evolved beings of this more advanced group are literally angelic, at least to our sense, you see?

We humans, we're so fundamental, we're so primitive in our views and these advanced technologically civilizations out there, some of them are so... My God, talk about a million years ahead of us. Some people, somebody here at this conference...

KC: I appreciate all that, but I want to bring you back on point because I want to know when it was that one of these “old boys” pulled you aside, said: Would you like to take a ride? Would you like to meet a friend of mine? I mean, when did this happen? Are you going to spill the beans with this?

BD: Well, I can't spill the beans about that because that particular thing you describe didn't happen. My first awareness of being invited and taken aboard and taken for a ride through the portal, through the doorway, was orchestrated by them. [points upwards]

KC: All right. Where was this located? Where did this happen?

BD: It happened when I was in Tucson, Arizona, many years ago.

KC: But you were out of the military at that point?

BD: Yeah. I retired in ’76.

KC: Okay. So during your time...

BD: I came out of the closet in ’91.

KC: Right. So during the time in the military, you're saying that you never actually, at least consciously, met with any of these people?

BD: Not conscious remembrance, but I'm convinced probably I did because, as I was about to tell you, they have the capability of manipulating your awareness. They can take you away and wine you and dine you and show you lots of things and bring you back and erase from your conscious memory that entire experience, and you won't remember it unless there is a triggering mechanism or an event that will happen that you will say: Oh my God, that happened, you know?

They're pretty good at that. And they do it essentially for our own benefit because if we were to walk around with total consciousness of that world and this world, we really would be locked up in an institution, you see, because the average guy can't deal with living in two worlds at the same time.

Now, it's happening to me now. And you sat and had dinner with me last night and you saw the tears. The tears were the result of me being in... I'm now living in two worlds, this one and that one. [points upwards]

I've been around the block a time or two. I'm a tough old bird. I've seen things, I've done things I don't even want to get involved with. So I, you know, I'm not an innocent. I'm not, you know, just singing, coming down the lane, you know, flowers flying and all that.

I've been around a bit, I'm kind of tough, but at the moment I am living in two worlds because I'm having almost total recall of that world and this world in my previous lives now. [Kerry laughs] I'm almost – and I will say this with Jim sitting there – I'm almost a basket case, but he's known me for years.

I've been through hell and I'm still here, and I'm as ornery as ever and I'm going to be around for another year or two at least, maybe a little longer, because I have not finished yet what they [points upwards again] wanted me to do.

But I'm sitting here with you this afternoon, telling you that I have been there [points upwards] many times, and I am living in two worlds, with full memory of previous lives, and it’s difficult for me to deal with.

KC: Okay.

BD: And I want you to think about that because you may be confronting some of this yourself if you haven't already.

KC: Well, I have to say that I have, and I believe more and more people are, and, you know, this has to do with the different “Waves” of people that are here on Earth at this time, as you know. And this is part of the reason that I feel it’s so important to reveal what you're talking about.

BD: I think it's important or I wouldn't be sharing this with you. And one of the triggers that really got me convinced of it was an old friend, Neil Freer. Now, I prodded Bob Brown to bring Neil in as a speaker this year. I prodded him to bring Jim Nichols in as another speaker and I was happy with that.

Neil had the courage just this last year to write a white paper which he submitted to the web. I got a copy; I gave a copy to Brown last year. Neil came out and openly admitted that he has had a relationship with non-human Intelligence since he was seven. And I thought: You old codger you, you've got the courage, why the hell don't I have the courage? And being a coward for all these years… [Kerry laughs]

I've shared many things, I really did. I've shared many things. I've even had threats on my life. Those bastards even put out a contract on me some years back (and I was informed of that by a friend in DIA) because I had stopped being merely a nuisance and I had become a threat. They were setting me up for one of these one-car accidents or, you know, whatever. Or a coronary, whatever. They have these means of doing that.

And then I got word from another friend in an Agency, a retired friend of mine from military service, who said: Hey, they pulled the contract on you. You're not in danger any more.

And I says: What happened?

And he says: Apparently they got the word from [points upwards] a higher authority, which he didn't clarify who this higher authority is, but they lifted the contract on me and I've been blithely dancing down the path ever since. And I've got a couple of good years ahead of me and I'm going to continue to do it.

KC: Okay. Well, let me just say that you're not a coward; you're the last person on the planet that would be classified that way. But I appreciate the humility that makes you say that in relation to Neil coming forward in relation to his ET experiences. And you did talk about this on tape with us.

BD: Yes, briefly, but I never really…

KC: But you never...

BD: …never really opened up completely about it.

KC: Right. Okay. And so actually that's what you're doing today, and more power to you because of that.

BD: I want to leave one more thing with you before we close this off. I told you this at dinner last night, I was astounded… You know, I've seen so many things. It takes very little to really astound me anymore. I mean, good God, when you remember your previous lives and you remember being in their world and in this world and all…

When I learned that they have the capability not only to manipulate time and matter… and we talk Type 3, maybe a Type 4 Civilization. I was confronted with a reality that even today still stuns me, that you or I or any of us can be taken, invited, gone aboard, taken a trip with them, be gone six or eight weeks and then come back in your bed ten minutes after you left, after having been gone six or eight weeks.

Now, I say to my dubious friends, my sceptic friends, put that in your damn pipe and smoke it and realise that that is a reality. We're dealing with technology that can manipulate matter and time. And you better damn well get yourself prepared for what you're about to face, because if you think quantum physics is a shock, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

KC: So we're talking time travel, right?

BD: Of course.

KC: We're talking time travel in... along with ET experiences. And we're also talking portals. And actually I don't think you have mentioned the word portal in the past and I'm curious if you can describe what... In other words, if you went through a portal, you went through a portal in a craft? Or you went through a portal, you stepped through a stargate? Have you done that?

BD: Let me tell you this, the first memory I have of going through a portal was in the back seat of an automobile on a highway in southern Arizona. Now, years ago that would have gotten me committed, that statement alone!

I was in the back seat of a car with a couple of them [points upwards] and we were going down the highway near Ajo, Arizona, which is not far from the Mexican border, and we went into a fog and the next thing you know, [laughs] we went into a portal, and I had about an hour and a half, two hours, of missing time.

KC: When you say you were going down the road with a couple of these guys, were they physical, here on the planet with you, or was this inter-dimensional?

BD: Yeah. They were physical. They were as material as I was – flesh, blood, everything, bones. Yes.

KC: Now, you and I know that, as you said, some of these people are walking the halls of the Pentagon today.

BD: Yes.

KC: Okay. And I'm wondering if you have any regular interaction with any of those people.

BD: I've had interaction with them from time to time. It seems like it was kind of a, you know, a situation where: Oh, while we're here, let's chat. No, I think it’s been orchestrated.

KC: Okay. But what I'm going to ask you is to go down some roads that you haven't gone down before.

BD: How much time have you got on your tape? [Kerry laughs]

KC [to Cam operator]: How much time we got?

Cam operator: Forty minutes and we’ve got about 20 left.

KC: Okay. We've got another tape to go, so we're going to be fine.

BD: Well listen, Kid, I know you. You and I have been around a bit together and I'm not sure I'm going to be able... I don't have the fortitude to spend the entire afternoon here.

KC: Sure. I understand.

BD: But out of respect and love for you I'll answer a couple of questions if I can. But if we really wanted to deal with this whole issue we'd be here all afternoon and half of tomorrow and we still wouldn't get all of it in, because it's that big.

KC: Well, let me ask you this and you can take off on this topic, but my understanding is that part of the reason they wanted you to talk and they encouraged you to come forward – and you've been encouraged both by some people you haven't mentioned and also by “them,” as you say – and it’s because we have some things coming down the pike in the next few years – and this is 2010, after all – that people need to be prepared for. And if they don't start realizing that there’s more than one reality and realizing that they live, you know, that they have past lives and they're going to have future lives...

BD: We live in an infinite Universe with infinite possibilities.

KC: That's right. That they're immortal beings and so on. In other words, that's what’s before them. They're going to have to... their mind is going to have to take that in, so it better start somewhere.

BD: Listen, you and I are players in this game. We're contributors. You're a major contributor. What you've done with Camelot is… I've told you before, you have no idea the extent and the scope of what you’ve accomplished. You've reached the world. You turned me into a damn celebrity and I didn't want to be one! [Kerry laughs]

The point I'm getting at is that you're a major player here and things are going to be happening here in the next few years that are going to challenge the masses of people.

I have said before and I'll say it again: When it all happens, when it all comes out, it's going to bring about an expansion of consciousness that's going to change the world, that we are not going to be the same species, we're not going to be in the same world. The present reality will fall away and a new reality will...

It's going to take an expansion of consciousness, Kerry, to even deal with these truths and that's why I'm speaking out.

KC: So let's push the envelope.

BD: That's why I'm pushing the envelope, and you are, to get people, and prod the people, to say: Look! Damn it, you've got to wake up and realise the world you live in.

And that's why I am so angry at the establishment scientific community. They are so hard-headed and closed-minded about this whole thing. They... Would you grasp that most of them will not even accept the reality of the human soul? That there is a divine spark in each and every one of us that is from the Source?

We are each of us God-sparks, the soul, the immortal everlasting human soul that lived before, is living now, and will after. There is no end. Now, when people are beginning... when they grasp that, who they are and what's in them…!

I go back to the beautiful old Sanskrit term, the Hindu teachings. Beautiful, beautiful... oh, the Bhagavad-Gita is a masterpiece. They refer to the dweller within, the imprisoned splendour. That's one of my favourites – the imprisoned splendour.

And one of the Hindu holy men that I've always admired and respected was Yogananda. He established what he called the Self-Realization Fellowship and people missed the point of what the hell that even says – Self-Realization – the realization of your true self, the recognition that you are a God-like immortal being.

Now, that's what the people out there and those who watch and those who listen have got to understand: You are an infinite spark of divinity yourself.

Now, if we can get them to see that, this transition which is going to be painful and awkward and troublesome, and it's going to be a bumpy ride, but by God, if they could only grasp who and what they are, it'll help them through that.

That transcendent transformation that the entire race is going through, it's going to be painful. It's like coming out of adolescence into adulthood, but if they can grasp the power within them and bring it out... God, we've accomplished what we came for!

KC: [laughs] I understand.

BD: I know you do.

KC: And I agree with you. But what I want is, I want some nuts and bolts information from you, because information is Light and information will start to creak open that door. And what we need are some tantalizing facts of what's really been going on behind the scenes. Okay? Not only in the government, but…

BD: You’re talking about the government cover-up?

KC: Yeah. Absolutely. Or, you know, some of the things you may have seen – access to underground bases, invitations. Have you gotten a ticket? You know. You understand what I'm saying here?

BD: I’m not sure... I've been in underground facilities for years. When I was working with FEMA I was part of a program called C.O.G. (Continuity of Government). We worked for years putting together civil defense, emergency services, disaster response.

And I've been in underground facilities that you wouldn't believe – massive, massive – all over the country. There's one under Fort Huachuca, which I may have told you once before, that is gigantic. These are massive facilities. My only criticism at the time was that some of them were so luxurious for the politicians that that ticked me off. I felt that the politicians didn't deserve those luxurious facilities.

Yeah. We've got massive underground facilities all over the country, all over the planet. We've got relationship, official military relationships, with the off-planet Intelligences. We have a major facility in the middle of Australia. It's called Pine Gap.

The point I'm getting at is that our military, our Shadow Government, is deeply involved with extraterrestrial operations.

KC: And you know this how?

BD: By people who have come up to me, and said: Dean, I've got to tell you what happened to me last month… or where I was last month.

And I say often, I used to say: Why are you telling me?

And he said: Well, people seem to listen to you and you have enough respect that you can go public with it and I think they need to know it.

I was one of them, the first one of them, who revealed the information that we have a portal of sorts, a kind of portal, located at 14 levels below-ground at S4. A Naval Lieutenant Commander told me.

He says: I was ordered to put on my summer uniform, pack my bags and get my briefcase. He was ordered to go to this facility which he didn't... well, it was S4, on the other side of the mountain at Papoose Lake.

And he says: Why are you asking me to put on a summer uniform when it’s cold as hell here? Even in Las Vegas it was cold.

And they said: Just do what you're told. Put on a summer uniform, pack your bag and show up here.

They took him to S4, they went down the elevator to three different levels. He had a red card, a blue card, and a green card. At the bottom of the facility, 14 levels below ground – it's like taking a 14-storey building and burying it – at the bottom he got through the door and there sits a G-I. I can’t remember whether he said it was Army, Navy, Air Force or what. Doesn't matter. At that level it doesn't matter.

They said: Commander, welcome. Come on in. And he walked through this door from the elevator, and the kid says: Welcome to Pine Gap.

KC: Wonderful!

BD: And the Commander says: What the hell are you talking about?

He says: Sir, you're in Australia.

Commander says: No, we're in Nevada.

And the young man says: Sir, when you just walked through that door, you're in Australia.

KC: Incredible.

BD: So he came up to me and he says: I'm telling you this because I know that people will listen to you.

At that time I'd been travelling and speaking publicly a number of times and I shared it.

And then another… [laughs] …another active-duty type came up to me one time and said: Why the hell are you telling these damn stories? He said: That's classified. You’re not supposed to tell those things, you know. That's sensitive!

And I says: Well, would you believe that it was shared to me by a man who out-ranked you?

Well, that goes on and on, Honey, that goes on and on.

KC: So it's because it's not necessarily your direct experience, at least at this time, it is because you know people that come up to you, people that trust you, people that know you’re on the circuit and they want you to do… be sort of like a messenger?
BD: Yeah. A lot of the classified material that I've been given and I have shared has come from a variety of sources, both military and in Intelligence operations, by people, some of them I've known in my career, some of them I've served with. The one in DIA, he was with me in South Vietnam. He was a Master Sergeant there when I was out there. Now he's working as Civilian Defense Intelligence.

So yeah, I've been getting a lot of information because I am an avenue which apparently the public has come to respect to some level, and the Intelligence, military guys, have learned that when something must come out that they think should come out, I bring it out.

KC: Okay. I'm going to ask you a question...

BD: The reason... Wait a minute. I’ve got to tell you that one of the reasons I think I've been successful is I have never compromised any of them in their personal careers and their lives, because, for many of them, saying things to me that they've shared is dangerous because of the crowd that doesn't want it out.

My God! They don't want us to know about the Aerospace Command here, would you believe that? Trillions of dollars a year are going off to a military command that the American people don't even know exists?

KC: You're talking about Space Command?

BD: Aerospace Command! It's commanded by...

KC: Okay. Is that located in Nebraska?

BD: It's... No, no. It used to be Nebraska. It used to be Colorado Springs. Now the headquarters… I swear to God the headquarters is in orbit!

KC: Right.

BD: Now, trillions going to Aerospace Command.

There is a Four-Star Air Force General, who, last I checked last year, was commanding: Lance Lord. Interesting name. I've often swore up and down that Lance Lord is one of them. [points upward] Lance Lord commands the Aerospace Command and it's a joint services Space Command that the American people don't even know exist. It puts NASA to shame.

KC: Okay. Is it an international organization?

BD: Yes. Yes, it really is, because there are British officers serving right along with United States Air Force and Navy officers. Yes. And we've done that now since World War Two.

KC: Okay, British; and what about Australian?

BD: UK... ah… are you familiar with the UKUSA Pact?

KC: I've heard of it.

BD: UK / USA, signed in 1947. Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and Great Britain and the US signed a pact called the UKUSA Pact in 1947 and we've been like this [gestures, hands clasped together] ever since.

KC: Okay. So we've got a Space Command and this is doing what? Going out into interstellar... doing interstellar travel? Because we've got whistleblowers talking about super-luminal travel, faster than the speed of light.

BD: I was told about hyper-luminal flight 20 years ago by a retired aerospace engineer who spent most of his career with Boeing, McDonnell Douglas, and for some time with Lockheed Martin and …ah...

KC: And they're going where? I mean, we're talking outside this solar system. Right?

BD: Leaving the system, yes indeed. When Ben Rich before he retired and died – Ben Rich who ran the Lockheed Skunk Works – said at one of his retirement dinners, he said: You know, we can take ET home. And he said: We've got technology that's 100 years beyond what establishment science will believe. And when he said: We can take ET home, we're talking about hyper-luminal flight.

We've had anti-gravity and we've had zero-point energy for, well, 40 years. And one of the things that gets me frosted so much, I think…You know, my fuse sometimes can get very short and it's the nature of who I am and how I was trained and raised. Bless their hearts, the American people out there who have been paying the damn bills for all these years deserve to know this!

Every time I go to a filling station and put gasoline in at $2.75 a gallon [Kerry laughs] in my car, I get pissed off because we don't need to do this. This is going into the pockets of the George Bush family and the rest them, you know, the bunch of idiots and nitwits. Anybody that's got a billion dollars and wants more, they're not people I can get along with.

KC: I agree with that! So okay, we're talking super-luminal travel, we've talked about a stargate basically under S4 that's going over... I mean, you're also aware of Los Alamos, I imagine, the time travel that's being conducted from Los Alamos?

BD: Yeah. Well, it was Los Alamos where they had a contained and sustained fusion reaction over 30 years ago, controlled and contained sustained fusion reaction.

KC: Okay. What does that do? What does that…?

BD: Well, that's an infinite energy forever.

KC: Okay.

BD: Fusion! My God, and we've got it, but the American people don't know. I mean, they pay electrical bills on their house, the air... The summer in Phoenix, for God’s sake, the air conditioner’s going night and day, 114 degrees outside. Every time the bill comes due, my wife has a fit. [Kerry laughs]

And I happen to know that we have fusion energy and that shouldn't happen, that we don't need to do this, and we're being manipulated and dangled on a string. Oh my God – don't get me started! I'm going to have to get myself a Jack Daniels and then we'll really have an interview here. [Kerry laughs]

KC: All right. Well, I don't mind! [laughs]

[Start of new conversation with Jim Nichols in room]

BD: Anyhow, a guy sticks his head in and he says: Oh, Mr. Dean, you got a minute?

And I says: Sure, come on in, and I says: Sit down, sit down.

And he says: Thank you. He says: I've been interested in just dropping in and saying hello. And he says: I've heard some of your interviews. I've seen you on the tube. (I think I was going through the lawsuit at that time.)

JIM NICHOLS (JN): Sounds like it.

BD: And he said: Been fascinated about some of the things you've had to say.

And we sat and had a pleasant conversation for over 30 minutes. And he said: Look, I want to thank you for your time, you know, I've enjoyed it. He says: You've answered my questions.

He got up, smiled, shook hands, and out the door he went. He got out; couldn't have been 30 seconds, I got up from my desk because I realized I hadn't found out who the hell this guy was.

JN: Right.

BD: He didn't give me a card. He introduced himself. I think he gave me his name but I couldn’t remember what it was. And I get up and I jump out the door and I'm going out and I head for the elevator because I figure he's gone down.

To get in to that Sheriff's Department you had to go through security downstairs. You had to lay your driver’s licence out. They give you a little pass when you're in the building; they find out who is it you want to visit and then they let you in. They often will call up and say: Mr. Dean, you've got somebody who wants to say hello, or whatever.

I had not asked him who he was, so I go jogging out, looking – he's gone!

I called downstairs to the security guard, the guy on the desk. I says: Look, stop whoever just visited me before he leaves. I want to find out who the hell I've been talking to.

He sys: Dean, there's nobody visiting you. I mean nobody went through here, nobody checked in. He says: Nobody can come up and you know...

I said: Now, I just spent 30 minutes talking to a pleasant young man in my office and he got up and left and I didn't find out who the hell he was.

And the Sheriff’s Deputy says: Hey Dean, there's nobody. Are you all right? Are you fantasizing, for Christ's sake? Are you guys drinking something up there?

And he didn't check in, he didn't check out – he just dropped in and visited me for 30 minutes and he looked just as human as you and I do.

JN: Was he a blue-eyed blonde?

BD: No.

KC: So have any of these individuals ever shared with you where they are from?

BD: No.

KC: Have you asked them?

BD: Yes.

KC: Okay.

BD: And I generally would get the same answer that I got last year.

KC: Which is?

BD: I asked the woman who I was chatting with during the break last year here at the conference. She and her husband – I thought “husband”; they looked like a pair – were chatting amiably, pleasantly, shaking hands, looking straight into each other’s faces, as human as you and I.

And in the middle of the conversation I got this gut feeling, which Ingo Swann describes as being an intuitive gut reaction to… When you meet an extraterrestrial there is a part of you that responds at a gut level. It's an intuitive awareness, somehow, that this is different. And that's what prodded me a year ago to say to him: You're not from here, are you?

And she got a big smile and then I felt a little embarrassed. I said: I don't mean like are you from Miami or New York or Los Angeles? I said: You're not from here, are you?

And she smiled and spoke up and said: No, we're not from here. And I think she'd been reading me, because they do that.

And I said: Where are you from?

And she says: If I were to tell you, I don't think you'd understand.

And I didn't accept that as a slur or an insult. I understood she said honestly: You wouldn't understand.

Well, later it hit me that what they were probably talking about is from another dimension.

And several times I’ve confronted them in my relationship and asked them: Where the hell are you from? – you know, a planet, star system, even another galaxy.

Did you know that the real Galactic Federation headquarters is not even in our galaxy?

Now, you put that in their pipes and let them smoke that and see what kind of response you get. I mean, we're not talking about inter-planetary or inter-stellar, we're talking about inter-galactic. We're talking about inter-dimensional, all of the above, and our “authorities” have know this since before I retired in ’76.

But anyhow, she said very honestly: No, we're not from here, you wouldn't understand, and I shook hands with you.

She came up to me in San Jose at the Bay Area. Didn't see him. She came up and she looked, came over, ran across the room. She says: They didn't believe you when you told them, did they? [Kerry laughs] They didn’t believe you when you told them.

And I says: No, they didn't believe me.

KC: You actually shared that at our Awake and Aware Conference.

BD: Did I?

KC: So this had to be after that.

BD: And she says: That was to be expected. Don't worry about it.

KC: Okay. Well... [to Jim] Okay, what do you want to say?

JN: Just one more thing: In any of these encounters, have they ever specifically told you a message, like: This is what we want you to say? Or: This is what we would like for you to do? Have they given you any specific instructions? Or is it just: Hi, we're friends... just to let you know we're here?

BD: Well, I've gotten... A great deal of what I'm doing has met approval. I've got a great deal of what I'm doing has pleased them. I've gotten this from what I gather to be a rather high spiritual level, that what I'm doing is what I came to do, what I'm doing is crucial and important, what I'm doing is necessary, and what I'm doing is making a difference, which is why I came out of five years of seclusion.

KC: What I want to know is if you can talk about what you have learned about the future from these individuals and/or from meetings or, you know, these whistleblowers, in essence, that have come up to you behind the scenes from the military and been talking to you, because we did an interview and you talked about Nibiru.

But, I mean, beyond that, are you being told what some of the plans are? Are you being told, for instance, about China and a future war? Such that we got a... we have a recent whistleblower who's talking about what he calls “The Anglo-Saxon Agenda,” in which a nuclear war is actually planned.

My belief is that these kinds of things will be stopped, but there are... We have gotten other information from people like Pete Peterson that indeed these are on the agenda and that they may be allowed to transpire, in certain ways.

BD: I'll tell you what I've gotten, for what it's worth: We do have a future and it's glorious, and I think I said that in Spain last year.

KC: Mm-hm.

BD: We're in for some difficult times. This transition through this adolescence into adulthood as a species is going to be painful and there are going to be some difficult and awkward times.

But no, there is not going to be a nuclear war because they're not going to allow it because the planet is too valuable – the flora and fauna in this zoological garden is too precious.

And they have already intervened several times. They made their point during the Reagan administration; they made it to Gorbachev when he was in office. They’ve made the point many times. They made it at Rendlesham Forest, Bentwaters, when they melted the warheads.

They've made the point that: We're not going to allow you nitwits to start a mess, a holocaust that's going to end up halfway destroying this beautiful, beautiful planet. Now, you've messed it up bad enough as it is with your garbage, you know.

But no, there's not going to be a nuclear war and they're not going to allow it because, frankly, we don't own the planet.

And this little titbit came out, of all places, in a movie called The Day the Earth Stood Still – the second one that came out – when Klaatu or whatever his name was says: You don't own this planet. This planet is not yours, and that little titbit was dropped in the middle of that movie. And as I say, I conclude that in this subliminal education program... Same with Avatar.

KC: But Bob, are you also being made aware that there is also a war going on in-between various ET groups?

BD: I know there is a struggle going on, but it is not a full-scale war.

KC: Okay.

BD: There is a struggle between one group. Apparently they've got a divided family, the clan. The clan has been divided for a long, long time.

KC: You're talking about the Anunnaki, in terms of Sitchin.

BD: Yeah. Yeah. There's been this… ah… what do I call it... dysfunctional family situation and that's been going on, and we've been in the middle of that before. Well, that's still going on.

But I have learned and I will point this out and I want to make it clear on the tape that there is a hierarchy out there and there are Intelligences in the hierarchy above us that have an agenda of their own. Among the different groups that are coming and going, some of them have an agenda of their own.

But there is a hierarchy here and I have learned this first-hand and I have been urged to share this, that there is a higher hierarchy out there that is predominantly spiritual – and we're talking about a Type 4 Civilization, the kind of people that we would refer to as angelic. Our ancestors would have deified them. Our ancestors, for God’s sake, deified the Anunnaki, and they sure as hell weren't “gods”; they were as rotten in many ways as we are today.

KC: But aren’t the Anunnaki…? [overtalk/ inaudible]

BD: But there is a spiritual hierarchy here.

KC: I understand.

BD: And this planet and this race, this species, and the life form on this planet, is so precious that this planet was “Terraformed.” Life was introduced here as a part of a plan. Now, that plan is still underway.

Now, the higher levels in that hierarchy have apparently grabbed some of the lower levels (above us), grabbed them by the shirt and [gestures, slapping round face with hands; Kerry laughs] and gotten their attention and said: Hey! You ain’t going to be able to pull this off anymore because we're not going to let you screw it up. You screwed it up when you genetically manipulated them and engineered them as a slave race. And now you're going to contribute to make sure that they can make this evolutionary jump which they are about to make as a species.

And this hierachy out there, I would say, is where this lovely young man from Galilee incarnated from.

KC: Okay. So you're talking about sixth dimensional beings?

BD: Oh my God, we're talking about Beings from a higher dimensional level. Yeah.

KC: Okay. So what do you know about, for example, the children that disappear off the planet?

BD: It’s not children… it's not just children. Do you have any idea how many people disappear every year?

KC: Adults as well, but especially the children. Yes... so have you been talked to about that?

BD: Hundreds of thousands disappear.

KC: That's right.

BD: Many of them, it's a matter of choice. Many of them would like to get the hell out of here. A lot of them are taken… [long sigh]… and taken to other places.

KC: Right.

BD: They are... many of them are alive and well in other places, other planets, other dimensions.

KC: Okay.

BD: Yeah, the number of people who disappear every year… The government, the so-called Shadow Government, is aware of that. Nothing they can do about it because they're not in control.

KC: Okay. And are you also aware that there are simultaneous realities going on in which different timelines are playing out? Have you tapped into this?

BD: Yes, yes... but don't try to explain that to Joe Six-pack on the street.

KC: [laughs] Right.

BD: And I love Joe.

KC: Uh-huh. I understand.

BD: I spent most of my life working with Joe Six-pack. But don't try to explain that.

Yeah, they're... Look, when you're dealing with advanced technologies, advanced spiritually-developed civilizations that are like Kaku calls Type 3, 4, who can manipulate matter and time…

Our concept of time is fundamental. I mean, our concept of time is childlike. Time is not at all what we think.

One of the things I've learned in my travels is that you cannot separate space and time. Space/ time is a given. It's a unity. When you travel in space, you travel in time, and almost all of them who come here from incredible distances… And those trips take just a few seconds in many cases, you know [makes whoosh sound] from there to here. I mean, we're talking about guys dropping in from 65… 200-light-years away. [snaps fingers] They're here.

KC: And again, you know this because of your own experience interacting with them in which they've told you this, or because other military personnel have come to you and told you this?

BD: Both.

KC: Okay.

BD: Both – to the point that I was totally convinced that I wouldn't have the courage to share this with you.

KC: Okay.

BD: I'm not the only one who's had this happen to him in his life. I'm one of the oldest old farts who's speaking out about it, but I'm not the only one.

You've talked to lots of different people who’ve been the same places I've been, who’ve met the same people I've met, and who've learned the same things I've learned. So my little two cents, for whatever it's worth, is not the only bit of information, and you've been getting it from a variety of sources. Some of them are not that reliable… and I see you smiling, but most of them are.

Disinformation is a problem we've got. We had it from the beginning. And I jokingly… I think I said it to you last night, about the case where we had this disinformation program underway by the bunch of clucks back in Washington and they spent a lot of time and money putting this out, this big disinformation thing to get people, you know, focused here – and then they found out that the disinformation information they were putting out was true! Boy, don't you think that caused a stir at Langley! [laughs] Oh boy!

KC: [laughs] Yeah, that's actually a great twist.

BD: I've developed a sense of humour about the whole thing, particularly when I found out that the human race has a future, the planet is not going to be destroyed; that the kids who found the box of hand grenades are not going to be able to play with them and destroy this beautiful planet. Now, along the way there are going to be some difficulties.

KC: Okay. What do you know about… for example, what do you know about the Middle East?

BD: The Middle East? Oh that...

KC: Are you aware that there's a major portal there?

BD: That cauldron is one of the primary focuses of the experiment because that particular cauldron – and I use that term particularly with a choice here – was selected because of the populations that exist there, and have existed there. And part of the major experiment that’s underway was initiated there.

Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all started in the Middle East because they decided that that was an appropriate place to stir up and prepare… What do they call it? The chemical...?

KC: Petri dish.

BD: Petri dish. The Middle East is a Petri-dish…

KC: I understand.

BD: …in a laboratory that they have been operating from the beginning of time. Good God, even Zoroaster was there.

KC: Okay. Well, I want to know about the modern-day Middle East. I would like to know if any of your contacts are talking to you about what's going on, for example, in the Gulf of Aden?

BD: Hm. Why there?

KC: Because there's a collection of Navy and all kinds of ships from all over the world, from what we understand, and I'm just wondering if you're getting any reports...

BD: How did you find out about that?

KC: We've a whistleblower by the name of Aaron McCollum who went on the record, took a lot of courage to do so. I'm just wondering if you've been given any information about that particular stargate and what's going on there?

BD: First of all, let me tell you that there are different places on the planet where stargates have existed for eons. They were established and located there because geologically there was a mineralogy available in the granite or the crystal or whatever, that were particularly appropriate for a stargate, for a portal.

There's even a place in Arizona called Portalis. [Kerry laughs] The Indians knew of a portal there 200 years ago. The Spaniards named it Portalis, a little town out there. I haven't been there but it's southeast of Tucson, I think... maybe northeast. Anyhow, there are portals here, there and everywhere. There's one up in Utah. You know. You read the book, I think, The Hunt for the Skinwalker?

KC: Sure.

BD: There's a portal there. There's portals here, there and everywhere. There's a portal at Rainier. They can open a portal any place, any time that they choose. They can open a portal along the highway between Ajo and Tucson at two in the morning [snaps fingers] just like that.

KC: Okay. But to get back to the Gulf of Aden?

BD: Well, I'm sure there are a couple of portals there.

KC: And are you aware of any specific goings on there that have to do with... because my understanding is that they are actually... I mean, they've got a massing of troops that are happening… [sound of someone knocking on door]… in Yemen… and we're going to have to cut this very short. But are you aware of this to some degree? Have you been getting reports? And you don't need to be specific but I need an answer, and you’ve been...

BD: The Gulf of Aden, you say.

KC: Mm-hm. Yes.

BD: Well, it may be tied in with the fact that there is going to be a revolution in Iran, and that's pretty definite.

KC: Okay.

BD: And it's not going to be one that we will initiate; it's one that's going to be initiated from within Iran itself. And that collection up in the Gulf of Aden is probably connected to that.

But there's going to be a revolution in Iran, probably before the end of this year. And hopefully, you know, hopefully – and I'm pretty certain this is going to happen – it's going to keep the Israelis from bombing the Iranian nuclear facilities.

KC: I have one more question before we draw this to a close and I've already got a great ending, so we don't need to go into one here. But I want to know if you're aware of some synthetic beings that are coming into the planet at this time?

BD: What? Synthetic?

KC: Yeah, beings that...

BD: Where did you get that from?

KC: Well, from various whistleblowers.

BD: You know, some of the little Grays are synthetic.

KC: Okay, but this is a specific kind of being that is actually arriving from outer space on the planet at this time.

BD: A laboratory product, so to speak.

KC: Of a sort, yes.

BD: Synthetic... Non-physical?

KC: But they look for all intents and purposes like you and I.

BD: Yeah... go into a laboratory and churn them out, you know?

KC: Okay.

BD: I was told by a scientist one time not too many years back that when the little guys were found inside the ships at Roswell and other places, in Kingman and whatever, some of them survived. Some of them had been banged up a little bit but they were alive, literally alive. And the military in those days thought: F**k! They may be coming after them; they'll come back for them, you know?

Well, they didn't, and the military and the scientists have concluded that they went back to the laboratory and made some more, like we make potato chips, you see? And that sounds awfully cold-blooded, doesn't it?! But it isn't. When you can manufacture a living creature, a biological android, as it were, in a laboratory... [sighs] …

KC: And we can do that now, can't we?

BD: We? [points to himself]. Who are we talking about, we?

KC: Well, I'm asking you. Go in any direction you want.

BD: You're talking about the Shadow Government, our side…

KC: Yeah. Absolutely.

BD: Kerry, let me tell you this in closing, that there are things going on in laboratories in this country, and laboratories in the United Kingdom, in Australia, in China, that the Christian fundamentalists would have a fit over if they knew about.

We… yeah, we are cloning human beings, and that's just “science.” We're doing the same thing the Anunnaki did 100,00 - 200,000 years ago. We're cloning human beings.

Aboard some of the ships… There are laboratory ships out there, and you've gotten this from other whistleblowers. On some of those laboratory ships there are vast containers filled with cloned human beings.

And would you believe – you probably would because you've been doing some homework – that if they were to take me and you and Jim or any of the others of us out there, they might be able to show you a clone of us? And they are able to take... to help us take our soul from this body and put it into a new body?

KC: Yes. Yes, I've heard this before.

BD: That is a reality. Now, you see, that in itself is sensitive. How do you go tell that to Joe Six-pack out there? How do you tell that to a Muslim fundamentalist or a Christian fundamentalist? Or any fundamentalist?

Well, as I jokingly have said when I was speaking over in Dallas: You look for the door and you check the windows so you can find a way to get the hell out of here if the chairs start flying. Because I did that in Dallas a number of years ago and I thought: Man! Man, I'm in deep trouble here! And at the end of it I had 800 people out there.

[addressing someone else] Shianne / Cheyenne… bless her heart; remember her? She was my sponsor.

Unknown voice: Yes.

BD: After it was over with, I got a standing ovation. But down the centre aisle, here this little chubby round guy with a Bible under his arm… He's heading down the aisle and he's heading toward me and I thought: Oh God! I'm in for it, because I had said some pretty blunt things, particularly about my good friend from Galilee, you see, as to who he really was. And I thought: This little dude's going to get me and we're going to be rolling on the floor here and he'll probably beat the hell out of me, because he was a pretty tough-looking little guy.

He leaps on the stage – I didn't think he could physically do it – had his Bible under his arm. He threw his arms around me: Brother Dean, God bless you! You've said it the way it needs to be said. And I could have, you know, I almost keeled over. [Kerry laughs] Brother Dean, you said it! And we were hugging and kissing, you know, and we were great friends. [Kerry laughs]

Now, there was a fundamentalist who I didn't offend and God help them, I hope there are more of those out there. And I'm sure there are.

KC: Well, Brother Dean, you said it like it needs to be said! [Bob laughs]

BD: Well, Sister Kerry, it's been my pleasure, Honey. And I'm not making fun of these fundamentalist people. Some of them are my best friends and God loves us all.

KC: That’s right. Absolutely.

BD: Thank you for your time.

KC: Thank you…

BD: I’ve enjoyed it.

KC: …for your courage and your service to humanity.

BD: It's not courage, Baby. They rubbed me the wrong way, I got angry! That's why I sued the Sheriff. That's why I'm doing what I'm doing.

KC: First you get angry and then you decide what to do with that anger and that takes courage. And you’ve got that.

BD: Well…Thank you.

DOLORES CANNON (DC): Bob, I'm so glad that you're back doing it again.

BD: Listen, one of the reasons I'm back doing it is because of you!

DC: Me?!

BD: Yeah.

DC: Well, I know you were dying when I saw you last.

BD: Well, my son accused me of committing suicide slowly. You know, I said...

DC: You said: I'm over, I'm done! I said: No you're not. You've got a whole lot you could share.

BD: I said: I'm up to here with this shit. I'm not going to do this anymore.

DC: You were like this… you were hardly moving. And look at you! You've come back!

BD: You've been a person who I've respected and admired for years. I just want you to know that.

DC: But I'm just glad to see you're back among the living. You're doing what you're supposed to be doing.

BD: Well, thank you. It means a lot to hear it from you.


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